May 23, 2012 At 02:57 PM By Matthew H
Lou GSan Diego, CA
John LDewey, OK
first of dont worrie about what the launch monitor say's as far as a fade. launch monitors a good tools but nothing beats an open range and seeing the results.
number too there are a few reasons why your not finding the right shaft at fittings. the safts your looking for are $300 shafts that only a hand full of people can use. maybe one in a 1000 fittings will a fitter find someone that really needs that shaft. so its just not coast effective or practical for most fitters for carrie around one of these shaft. I trusted my fiiter. we looked at my swing speed my swing its self and decided that the best shaft for me was the Fujikara 7Z08 X-stiff. the other shaft he recomended was the Proforce V2. for me the fujikara was the right choice. there is only going to be a hand full if of places that will offer a shaft that strong. Dicks sporting goods wont have it. neither will golf smith. i would say only a very very small hand full of fitters around the country will carry this shaft for any brand of golf club. its just not practical. I would be willing to bet Titleist only bought 100 of these shaft from the manufacturers because the demand is so small.
my swing speed is the same as yours and my carrie is 300 on a smoth swing and 330+ if i really try.
Marc34Elgin, IL
Marc confirmed what I have been saying about 44.5" shafts. If you look at what the PGA pros use, you will find that a large majority use a 44.5" shaft. Jim McClean (along with a few other teaching pros) recommends between 44-44.5" for most golfers. Titleist and Ping are the only ones with sane stock shaft lengths (Titleist being 45" and Ping being 45.25"; however, Ping is 1/2* flatter on lie angle) and little modification is needed to maintain swingweight (6-8g in the head or lightening the grip to 43g). Most of the golfing public is under this misnomer that one needs a 46 or 48 inch shaft to bomb drives and that is probably the biggest crock; the reason they spray drives in the bushes is they fall for this hype.
I have a reference driver (TM 2007 Burner HT Draw M flex) that is set at 44.5" (which is 1.25" shorter than stock). I bought it used 1 1/2 years ago mainly because it felt good and I was able to hit 250+ yard drives with a slight draw (it was already 45") . Before that, I used a 10.5 neutral driver (44.5" shaft) with my long distance being a power fade (240 or so); straight drives went 220 and had a high trajectory. The story is I found out after the trip to the range that "HT" loft is 13* and "M" flex is TM equivalent of senior flex (I use R flex; what is ironic is I've tried a few A flex and some R flex and they felt whippy and I had trouble hitting them straight); along these lines there is a forum post about an individual who has a 100+ mph swing speed taking his dad's M flex driver and getting some monstrous distance (he also stated that it didn't feel whippy). The second part of the story is that I took my driver to a demo day and did a side by side vs three 10.5* R11s (stiff, regular and M flex); the stiff went dead straight with no adjustments but distance lacked, the other two flexes with a draw face offered no improvement and I had a lower trajectory with the HT driver (I also can tee it up 1 1/2"). I've been enjoying some of the best driving ever (I find the middle of the fairway most of the time and my bad shot, caused by being a bit anxious, was a high fade that ended up on the right edge of the fairway). On a whim two days ago, I went to the range and tried choking down 1/2"; I found that I could swing away and hit it dead straight. I took it to GM, had it shortened 1/2", and had a Winn Dri-Tac jumbo (23g) grip installed at lunch that day. On the way home from work, I stopped by the range and hit 20 balls and was swinging away and hitting dead straight; also was able to fade, draw and stingers with no bad shots. I'm pretty sure the shaft being 1.25" shorter than stock may stiffen it to R+ flex. With all this being said, when the time comes where I want to drop $400 on a new driver, Titleist is the way to go (less trickery to make it work for my swing); I already know my lie and length parameters (am querying some of the fitters as to a shaft starting point). I liked the feel of a 909D2 a couple years ago and had a 975D and 983K.
Matthew HShippensburg, PA
I'm 6'1" and 44.5 is OK so 45 or 45.5 is probably more your length.
Also found a great tip from Paul Wilson on push-fades (and better golfers sometimes experience this because they hit an inside-out swing path). Saw a clip from the Golf Fix (on FB) where Michael Breed gave a nice tip.
http://www.revolutiongolf.com/home/video/1653012761001
May 24, 2012 At 03:04 PM
I'm 6'1" and 44.5 is OK so 45 or 45.5 is probably more your length. Also found a great tip from Paul Wilson on push-fades (and better golfers sometimes experience this because they hit an inside-out swing path). Saw a clip from the Golf Fix (on FB) where Michael Breed gave a nice tip. http://www.revolutiongolf.com/home/video/1653012761001
I had draw the originator out to find out physical parameters (such as height or wtf distance). For all I knew, this person could have been 5'7" - 5'10" or 6'6". Also drew out that impact is in the center of the clubface. Critical data.
Jason Goxford, 0
What I find most incredible, is reading story after story on here from Americans who claim to hit the ball prodigious distances, with inflated swing speeds! I play and live in the most wonderful area of Scotland called East Lothian, which is home to some of the most famous golf Links courses in the world, which is a mecca for Americans to come and visit our shores, and I meet,see and play with hundreds of Americans every year. We welcome them to our shores and Golf courses with open arms, and generally speaking we like having you guys come over to sample Scottish Links Golf. But, maybe its only the average to short hitters that come over to Scotland then, because I haven't met one yet, who hits the ball as far and as far as the American Team Titleist members. We all know that Americans have a reputation for exagerrating the truth and being somewhat big headed with the machismo and egos to match, but please guys, when you guys come over to our shores, make sure you can live up to your claims on here, otherwise you are likely to become laughing stocks!!! Lol.
May 25, 2012 At 11:04 AM
I hear you. I was a long hitter in my youth (my record drive was 325 yards with a persimmon 3 wood at age 16 and I hit 290 in 1985; averaged 260 with a 3W) but my short game, putting and consistency off the fairway was the pits.
I'm 54 now. I generally drive around 230-240 (but have hit 270 a couple times), hit a 5 wood about 200 and a 7 iron 150. I have a swing speed of 82-85 mph (but have reached 90 on a couple rare occasions). I carry a senior flex 13 deg draw driver (shortened from 45.75 to 44.5" but plays more like regular) in a so-called "old geezer" bag (driver and 5 wood, 21-26-34H, 8-PW irons and 4 vokeys). I have an 82-85 mph swing speed and play to a 12 handicap (I need to putt better). Part of the reason why I play better golf comes from playing with seniors (their attitude is the important thing is getting in the hole with fewest strokes; doesn't matter if you hit an 8 iron or 6H 150 yards; a lot have almost pro level short games and that includes the ladies) and was rather impressed by one in 2007 (he was using a 4H on a 165 yard par 3, wasn't a long hitter, but was straight and consistent and his score for 9 was 3 strokes over par). Also ignore some of the fallacies (like the big 90 degree "parallel at the top" rotational baseball swing and a 46 inch driver are what you need to knock the snot out of your drives; pros use shorter drivers and quite a few are into stack n tilt these days).
Comments like "I'm too young to use a 7 wood" demonstrate ego (truth is there are some pros that use them, albeit mostly Champions' Tour and LPGA with a sprinkling on the PGA; even Player fesses up to a 9 wood).
Just to amplify my comment about Paul Wilson's video.... there was a segment on the Golf Fix where Michael Breed is giving a lesson to an NFL player with a 10 handicap. He was carrying 290 but hitting in the right rough. When Michael got done, he was hitting 346 with a slight draw.
If anyone has watched Jason Zuback (the 2004 Cobra Long Drive champ) on "Playing Lessons From the Pros", interesting thing to point out: he gets paid to drive 450 yards and can hit an 8 iron 200; however, his short game and putting aren't that great.
In 1989 I was 32 and I could hit a persimmon 3 wood 290 yards dead straight (I had a 6 iron to the green on a 460 yard par 5 but hit a snap hook and ended up 10 yards left of the green and flubbed my chip shot). Even when I was 16 I could outdrive most of the men at the Country Club I caddied at (my record drive was 325 with a laminated aluminum shaft 3W but I generally hit 260 with it).
Even 5 years ago I could still hit a pitching wedge 130 yards and generally drive 270. I also threw my back out sometime around the 2008 U.S. Open because I was still trying to kill the darn thing (I couldn't play golf for almost 2 months). For that matter, I went to the driving range with my Dad in 2005 - was still hammering long irons and 3 woods but I had back pain for 6 weeks (I hadn't touched a golf club in almost 3 years).
Since I've slowed my swing down, I've actually played much better golf and back pain is a thing of the past.
85 and 89 was hitting those distances I described. I also used a 1 iron off the tee occasionally during that time frame and could hit them 260+.
I've actually hit 270 with this so-called "old man" driver I have (566 yard 9th hole at Miramar with a 7 wood and 9 iron to the green). Usually it is when I don't try is when I hit the farthest.
I hear what you say, but actually I play with alot of American college players, who are often sent over to Scotland by their parents, who want them to spend the Summer in Scotland learning how to play proper golf, on proper golf courses, and develop there game, instead of just pulling the Driver out of their bags, hitting a short iron into a green, and then the proverbial putting contest. I have not met a young college player yet who hasn't struggled in their first few weeks over here. Certainly many have a good game, but they struggle in the wind in Scotland, with having to use every club in their bag, and manufacture shots. I once played with just such a young man, sent over to Scotland by his father, to play the whole Summer at Prestwick, (Thats where the very first Open Championship was held, for the uninitiated) and he was a +3 Handicap, so obviously very useful, however it took him 6 weeks playing 3 times a week around Prestwick to even break 80! As I said, I play with a fair few young players from the States during our Summer from all age groups from mid teens, to guys in their late 20's and 30's and not one of them can hit the ball as far as they claim. Launch Monitors are jacked up, to manipulate the American ego and machismo attitudes. Sorry guys but its a fact. I am not saying all American players are the same, but you guys definately have that reputation for loud claims without much respect for the game. We hear it every week on PGA Tour, beered up Americans shouting and balling at players at the point of impact with Mashed Potatoes' and 'get in the hole' when a player is on the tee of a 500 yard par 4!! Oh dear! Its very sad that the game we all love has come down to that level. The American Players are so welcome over here, and Pros generally love to come over because our crowds are so much better informed. I am not here to cause a ruck, just get you to admit your true yardages and ditch the egos, I guarantee if you could do that, you would all become better players, and I am sure it wouldn't be long before you would get those top three spots in the world back in American hands.
The ones that have the better short games here in the States are actually the seniors and the ladies? Why? Because they HAVE to have a good short game to make up for not bombing 300 yard drives and hitting 200 yard 8 irons. It is kind of fun beating some of these so-called hotshots that drive a ball nearly 300 yards; doesn't do much good if it takes 4 shots to hole out from 100 yards. I take the senior attitude (I'm now 54) of "what matters is who gets on the dance floor first; how they do it is irrelevant."
My stepmother is British, she is 78, barely drives a golf ball 170 yards and still shoots in the 90s for 18.
If you go to a lot of the golf courses here, notice how crowded the driving range and putting greens are. Then notice how wide open the pitching and chipping greens and practice bunkers are.
San Diego CA has a wide variety of golf courses ranging from 2400 yard 18 hole exec courses where you tee off with 8-SW on most of the holes and an occasional 5 wood every now and then to Torrey Pines. Conditions range from well-manicured with big two tier greens to clay-like fairways with small greens that are so hard one has to use a 62 or 64 wedge for the ball to stick.
May 24, 2012 At 01:04 PM
I can't sacrifice a shorter length on the club. I'm 6'4" and the length's have been great. I've also tested both inside and outside and pretty much confirmed consistency with a launch monitor and range drives. Impact tape says I'm hitting it mostly in the middle of the club square. 11.5* Angle of attack. I'm trying to find a place to get fitted outside with a launch monitor but it's very hard in PA. I'd be curious to know what some of these higher end X-plus shaft are. Also wondering how I could contact a regional titleist rep to get an actual good fitting. Do they do this type of thing?
After some of us getting on a tangent, need to get back to the issue.
Now that we know you are 6'4" and that you hit in the center of the face but have a high balloon with a small fade....
Too long of a club would have caused a push fade if contact is toward the heel and a hook if one stands further from the ball and flatter.
Does your toe point slightly up when you address the ball? (this is normal). If the sole is laying flat or maybe a little toe down, then it would cause the ballooning (due to a steep swing) along with the fade. If toe up, then it is a swing path or release issue. If you were hooking too short of a club it would be because of a flat swing path.
The launch monitors have shown me hitting a slight fade on just about anything but I hit it straight on the range or golf course.
Personal experience on this. My driver length since 2007 has been between 44-45". I've either had a high ball flight when straight or played a power fade up until the beginning of 2011. I played with a Cobra X Speed (ProForce ATR stiff) that dad gave me as a Big Five O present (it was 44.5") - not an easy club to hit but generally hit it straight but a bit high (used it for a year). I had better consistency with a G2 and 975D driver (used these between 2008-2010) with both set at 44" (ball flight was a bit high with a straight shot and my best distance was a power fade - had to aim to the left side of the fairway to keep it in play). Still during the 2007-2010 time frame I used my driver sparingly and often used a 5 wood on the narrower holes. I used to have a problem with a hook or pull with woods and hybrids until Oct 2008 (when I got a tip to stand more erect; helped consistency). Since Jan 2011, I have been using my current driver (Burner HT Draw) with my best driving ever (I find the center of the fairway most of the time but my so-called bad shot, when I got anxious, was a high push fade that ends up on the right edge of the fairway; shortening the driver to 44.5" fixed this and I can swing away and still hit dead straight). What can explain driving up until 2011 was that I had a steep swing (why I had to use a 44" driver), that my drivers were about 1* flatter than my current one, and I may have been standing too close to the ball. Lastly, I have a slightly outside-in swing path with the driver so the draw face and a slightly closed stance works fine on a straight shot (this is what Mother Nature gave me - I am pretty consistent with an upright swing).
I also just recently shortened my 5W, 7W and 4H by 1/2" and I can swing away with them and still go straight. An "overanxious" swing would produce a block or push fade before.
Bottom line for me: 44.5" length, 58.5* lie angle and draw face is my best driver.
I think I will try calling. I was suppose to meet with a titleist rep at a local country club last friday but he cancelled due to rain issues. The fitting I'm looking for should really be everything. (length, loft, angle of attack,shaft type, etc...) I think I know what I'm looking for now and it's going to cost me a little extra. I just need to find the person willing to give me the time to properly fit me. If I have to pay extra to get a good club that will last me for a long time, then so be it.
Cath D.Carlsbad, CA
May 23, 2012 At 02:57 PM
I've been having a lot of problems getting fitted due to my swing speeds. I went to Dick's sporting goods to try and get fitted but he told me he couldn't fit me because of swing speed. I've also went to a Titleist fitting and got the same results. My specs how i can remember them from Dicks: Swing speed: 117-123 mph Ball Spin: 4400 rpm Carry Distance: 290+ Launch monitor shows 90% of my shots balloning sky high and fading slightly. At the Titleist fitting the guy fit me with an 8.5* Driver set at the lowest profile with X-stiff shaft and it helped my trajectory somewhat but still ended up extremely high halfway through launch but the fade wasn't going away. I refuse to buy without trying out the right club and seeing results before I buy it. Each place I've went has told me I need something that the pro's hit and I probably won't find it. What can I do to get fitted?
Hi Matthew, Can you give us a call at Team Titleist and we will try to get you to a local fitter that has the shafts and heads that you will need. 1-888-TITLEIST
Brandon GAngola, NY
It is so hard to find the right fitter! The right fitter will take into count your swing and plan on you hitting a least 50-100 balls with several different types of clubs... If you bought a set and want them customized then it was a waste of money cause a decent seller should fit them for you. Here is the list that you must make sure they do during your fitting! Computers need to test all shafts for flex, bend points, and spine plus length! measuring tape and protractor isn't going to cut it!
Length
Lie
Loft
Shaft Spine Alignment
Shaft weight
Shaft Flex
Grip size and weight
Ball
and a complimentary glove... under 200 is impossible to find but worth every penny if they do it right!
Drove 100 miles to finally get fitted at a regional golf center at Caves Valley Golf Course in Maryland. Without looking around too much, this golf course was top notch. The driving range I went to was also really great. I probably hit 150-200 balls in an hour.
Got fitted for the following using a Trackman launch monitor:
7.5* Titleist 910 D3 with Matrix Ozik HD6 X-flex shaft. Tipped 1 inch. Black/Red Composite grip.
Thanks all for the help!
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